this whole thread seems to be, in its original intent, a fair question, but it seems to me to have degenerated into the type of argument no one wants to see here anymore...and i think the worst part of that is, you are all mods or senior members or whatever who have been with the community for a long time

i guess you've all been together so long that now it seems you can't help but argue tritely with oneanother

i ask that you all just say "**** it", stop worrying about the bullshit, and start talking security as it makes reading threads here a whole lot more interesting