End of the Universe Part Two

[Moira]

Just to pick up on a point made in another lengthy thread, scroll down to no 2 here, Horizons, which gives pause for thought. As the article points out, the visible universe is 28 million light years apart, yet has only been in existence for 14 million light years and heat couldn't have travelled at a faster speed than the speed of light to create the equilibrium we now have between the hot and cold spots created by any "big bang".

Surely this makes a case for a creator?

[MrLinus]

Just to pick up on a point made in another lengthy thread, scroll down to no 2 here, Horizons, which gives pause for thought. As the article points out, the visible universe is 28 million light years apart, yet has only been in existence for 14 million light years and heat couldn't have travelled at a faster speed than the speed of light to create the equilibrium we now have between the hot and cold spots created by any "big bang".

Surely this makes a case for a creator?

I don't see how it makes a case for a creator. It does open the possibilities of not having the right tools yet to truly prove anything, one way or another. Heck, only a few hundred years ago germs were theorized by Pasteur. I don't think this proves anything one way or another.

[Moira]

I believe it does open up the case for not dismissing a creator outright .... in fact if you read a few of those "13 things that do not make sense", it strongly makes a case for the existence of some force or being that is more intelligent and powerful than we are.

[Computernerd22]

strongly makes a case for the existence of some force or being that is more intelligent and powerful than we are

Yea buddy, Aliens.

[Moira]

Yea buddy, Aliens.

And how did they evolve?

[nihil]

Credo in unum Deum
Sanctifitature Nomen Tuuam
Adveniat Regnum Tuuam......................

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[JPnyc]

I tend to believe there are a number of life forms more powerful and intelligent than we are.

[Aardpsymon]

I tend to believe there are a number of life forms more powerful and intelligent than we are.

I agree there. Some of my list however includes rocks, pocket fluff, belly button fluff and that left sock of mine that went 3 years without a wash.

Douglas Adams put the creationist theories well in their place with something along these lines... (excuse the likely miss-quote here, but you get the point)

Believing the world was created for us because it is so perfect is like the car park puddle believing the indentation it lives in was created for it because it fits so perfectly. It will keep believing this as it slowly dries up and eventually disappears.

Point being, the world wasn't created to be perfect for us, we evolved to become "perfect" for the world. At least, we are trying. Long way left to go. I would also like to add some corrections to the initial post. Just small ones, but important.

As the article points out, the visible universe is 28 million light years apart, yet has only been in existence for 14 million light years and heat couldn't have travelled at a faster speed than the speed of light to create the equilibrium we now have between the hot and cold spots created by any "big bang".

The visible universe is 28Mly, thats not too difficult to measure.
The universe has only been in existence for 14Mly WE THINK. No proof.
WE THINK nothing can go faster than the speed of light, although it is impossible to prove a negative.

To use the domestic house cat as a victim, they probably have a similar dilema with TV. They can SEE the people in the box, but they KNOW that people are bigger than the box. They can HEAR the people in the box, but it doesn't sound like actual people. Our power to influence the box with our almighty remote controls doesn't make us omnipotent, but from the point of view of a cat it might.

Here is something else to think about. Lets say some being/beings/god/gods/God did in fact create the universe. Why? why did he/she/it/they expend all this energy?

Yes, I have thought about this before. I work in a catholic school, it comes up.

[JPnyc]

Why not the same way (or similar) we did?

[Moira]

Exactly my point.