Your Views On Hacking People

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Originally posted here by |The|Specialist
And you'll hear about curiousity, exploration, & all that jazz. Haha... Yeah I guess thats why close to 96% of these guys tag they're name onto everything they can get their hands on... whether it be a defaced site, source comments, & stuff. :rolleyes:

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I am sorry to sound rude, but it doesn't seem like you have any first hand experience in the security field. The people out there who plug their name onto websites are not curious, they are malicious. Those who are curious are there to learn, period. People who tag their name onto source code for the parts they created, are proud. Not a thing wrong with being proud. Don't think Linus got his name by staying anonymous.

Yes, we exist, and no it is not as far fetched as you make it seem. As you may have noticed from my own first post on this thread, I will not call myself a hacker because it is a term one can not just give themselves, but I recognize my actions for what they are, and what they will be in the future. The title "hacker" once was a name bestowed/given by someone much better than you, and thus recognizes your potiential. I understand it is no longer like that. I understand maybe the media has given a twisted view of the computer world, confusing scripties with hackers.

I understand you are speaking about the majority of the online kiddies doing it because it is cool, but don't forget that there is still a very strong following of the origonal, old school, grey hat-hackers who are still there for the curiosity and knowledge of it.

First of all, that was a really bad movie. Second, you sound like my teenage son.

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I do what I want, when I want, and just for the hell of it.

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Like I tell my son, you can do whatever you want, "AS LONG AS YOUR WILLING TO ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES". Why would you need to call someone a weak person if you yourself did not feel weak? What does it matter what someone calls themselves? Even if it's just to make themselves feel more important or whatever? Performance is what counts. I've known alot of young techs fresh out of school who thought and acted like they had it all going on, but when it came time to perform they couldn't diagnose their way out of a john.
People come to this site for alot of reasons and if some of those reasons happen to include sharing and absorbing knowledge, then they should be most welcome.
There will always be good and evil, yin and yang, blackhats and whitehats, Fords and Chevy's, etc.. One can't exist without the other. So everyone who comes to this site should be treated with respect, not flammed, berated, told to Google it or RTFM.
Now i've completely lost my train of thought but you know what I mean.

-edit removed, accidental post. where is the delete button?-

I'm sorry poo sun tzu, I was referring to |the|specialist, again, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

special-ed needs to first get over himself before he publicly berates anyone for tooting their own horn over their technical prowess. I haven't read any real 'I'm an uber haxor' posts in this thread, maybe my reading comprehension is off or he needs to read the thread before popping out a half assed flame.

As for telling noobs to rtfm or google it. I believe (as do many others) that it is better to teach a man to fish so he may feed himself. It is just as important to learn to use the resources available to find the necessary information as it is to get the information itself. Most of us have no problem giving hints as to what search terms they should use or even posting a link to a completed search. Sometimes we'll even outright tell someone what they want to know...all just depends on what the person is asking.

Oh, and a prime reason to leave your name and email in commented code is so the person inheriting it or using it has the ability to contact you for help.

Yea the Goolge remark was a little off, quite a few years ago Ford changed our training from, here is what you need to know, to hear is how to find out what you need to know. To much information to keep track of in your head, you need to be able to know how to use the recources available to find your answers.

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Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
Don't think Linus got his name by staying anonymous.

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Once agian I wasn't flameing... I have no idea why peaple suggest that I am even though alot of times im not. I was pointing out that most self proclaimed "hackers" want nothing but a name for themselves or just being a small part of a over crowded scene of 13 year olds is good enought for them. But I think if someone has a true interest in computers then crap like that shouldn't even matter to them. If peaple would stop worrying about a label, status, or position inside a scene then not only will peaple learn more if they stop wasteing their time on trying to look cool as quickly as possable... but they would also be into computers for better reasons other than stupid and trivial garbage.

I was also pointing out that anyone willing to get attention so badly that they are willing to admit involvement in crimes probably has nothing to show for it in the first place. There are better ways to brag and show off.

I somehow feel that they would not be bragging, but instead answer to the origonal post. It would seem to me that he wasn't asking "yo! homie hackers! Give me a sh0ut ou5 and leet meh know wut u h4v3 d0n!" I think he was honestly asking for others to come forth and say "I am a hacker/consultant, and this is how I feel about it. Here is my side of the story, and here is what I stand for."

Thus it isn't about being brave or bragging, it was about letting this one guy, the orignating creator of this thread, that he was not alone and there is more out there than script kiddies.

Ahh, if that's the case then I apologize. The wording of your first post threw me off.

Chill slick8790 and the rest, I am mainly in disgust of M$'s anti-competitive practices, not products. Heck...I'm on an M$ box now. My first PC was MS-DOS (that's not an attack on the MS website for all the kiddies out there). My first programming lesson was in GW/BASIC.

I owe a lot to M$ in terms of my computer knowledge and so do a lot of IT folks. If Windows wasn't so popular and didn't have bugs, Most of us would be unemployed :p

Anyhow, that's off the subject of the thread. And with respect to the topic, I'm with pooh sun tsu. (Sun Tsu was a very wise man)

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles”

-- Sun Tsu, The Art of War