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do you REALLY think that in order to be a good hacker you have to know programming? i know pascal and HTML....
i disagree with this :D you need to know about the machine your hacking right and other things
but languages like C doesnt that just build u stuff...i know it can make proggys like trojans but is it all essential.....
i play wargames from time to time and u need to know that type of coding....
write me back and tell me what you think :D
Well first up this aint a cracker site so I hope you mean hacking in the good sense.
Anyway of course languages are essential to a hacker, its hard to accomplish things without knowledge of what youre doing.Quote:
i disagree with this you need to know about the machine your hacking right and other things
Knowledge of C/C++ would surely be useful to a Linux user would it not.
Well here we like to build not destroy. ;)Quote:
but languages like C doesnt that just build u stuff...i know it can make proggys like trojans but is it all essential.....
HTML is not really a language
Anyway Merry Christmas ;)
im am very aware of that i just think people especially on HDC bulletin board say that u pretty much have to have it...
i just dont think all that is essential anybody else agree?
You don't have to know HTML or C/C++ to be a hacker, but if you want to understand half the articles in hacking e-zines you'll need to have a grasp of at least the basics of C because that's what most of the code will be written in.
HTML isn't a language as such, but it's a good starting point if you want to get into programming. It's used for creating webpages, so if you're thinking of building a website then that's the way to go.
If you want to learn a proper programming language, start with something simple such as Perl or PHP, because C is very difficult as a first language (believe me, I tried learning the hard way and it took me about 6 months just to figure out the simple stuff!).
Hope this helps. :D
Basically it all depends what type of "hacker"
you want to become,if you want to become
really good than c,c++ and perl are a must.
Real hackers dont wait until someone codes
an exploit for them,they code their own. So
the answer is YES it is very important that
you know how to program if you expect to
become any good at hacking.
I said Hacking not cracking,hacking will
give you a really great future,cracking....
well I'm not even gona get into that I'm
guessing you know what I mean.
Merry christmas,ho ho ho.
Crimina1
i dont really know that much really i wanna learn but i cant have the time to learn all those languages from school and working life and my social life....
i dunno what to do i wanna learn but i know i cant cut corners all the time any easy way to learn
Well the easy is becoming a scipt kiddie, the real way is just devout your life to hacking which will mean cutting out a few aspects of social life but dosent mean you have to cut yourself off.
yeah... i agree with what has been said. knowing c/c++ is basically essential. you can be a hacker without it, but life is 10 times easier once you know it. to be a hacker, you don't have to know it, but to be a *good* hacker, you should know it.
Social life? What's that? ;)Quote:
i cant have the time to learn all those languages from school and working life and my social life....
You at least need to know English in today's English-dominated web. At any rate, it REALLY helps. :D
As for languages... I dunno. Before delving into programming, I think learning to use command lines and internal/external OS commands fluently is even more imporant as a basis. In other words, DOS prompts or *nix shells (BASH is common.)
I would say NOT to look at Visual Basic or another 'easy' language before another language... search out a more punishing language. Because if you get used to programming without doing all these little 'work habit' things, like adding commenting, and explicitly declaring variables, it often comes out as pretty substandard code.
I've peeked at assembly, but I'll see how far I can get without ever needing to use it. It scares me. :D
thanx a lot for the input from you guyz.
i know pascal as i studied it and i also know html...
i know most Dos commands and a few commands for the war games.....
where should i begin at a strong, unrushed pace?
Perl has a similar syntax to C, so it would be a good starting point if you want to learn decent programming techniques without jumping in the deep end.Quote:
Originally posted by cactus_hack
where should i begin at a strong, unrushed pace?
And, like Terr said, try to learn correct English whilst you're at it, programming languages aren't as forgiving as we are. :D
is there a problem with my grammar or something? i did not think you were very precise here, im sorry.
have a merry christmas what ever you do.
Mark :D
The whole "English" thing was an intentional misunderstanding. :D
I wasn't pointing it at anyone in particular. But... *cough* Sebastos *Cough* Nakoka *cough*
rrrrright ok kool
Hehehe, don't be alarmed Cactus_Hack. There just some of our friendly neighborhood posters. But I think they've failed to get root a 'one-to-many-times' ... which ticks them off a bit. ...So they just show their anger here using weird languages such as the following:
U M07h3r-FU[|{3r5 4r3 G0nn4 D13 !!!!!!111!!!!!!1
If they every try talking to you, please ignore them and move on with your daily rituals. Thank you, and God Bless...
"You're telling me! I boot up and the little prompt shows and I just can't seem to get root!!! WHY! WHY ME!? STUPID MACHINE! MY L33TN3$$ SHOULD LET ME ROOT IT! WHY!?
And then, tired of trying root passwords, I click 'cancel' and go about my business." :D
What is it then?Quote:
Originally posted by Ennis
HTML is not really a language
I'am sorry Ennis, but here you fail.
a (Ennis) : HTML is not really a language
b (Lexicon) : HTML = HyperTextMarkupLanguage
c (Victorkaum) : a is false
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Conclusion HTML is a Language
HTML= HyperTextMarkupLanguage
HTML is not a programming language, it is a language but not as the topic is about a programming language.Quote:
Originally posted by VictorKaum
What is it then?
I'am sorry Ennis, but here you fail.
a (Ennis) : HTML is not really a language
b (Lexicon) : HTML = HyperTextMarkupLanguage
c (Victorkaum) : a is false
__________________________
Conclusion HTML is a Language
HTML= HyperTextMarkupLanguage
Can you see the l337 hax0rs compiling HTML scripts to take down their latest target?
Alright Ennis, I read the topic to fast... You wrote that in such small size I thought you had some doubts so I was playing a little. please forgive me.Quote:
Originally posted by Ennis
HTML is not a programming language, it is a language but not as the topic is about a programming language.
Can you see the l337 hax0rs compiling HTML scripts to take down their latest target?
l337 or not? I enjoy AO and your posts. ;)
All is forgiven!
;)
accepted
;)
thanx for posting....nice to see responses from you guyz. im keen to learn as much as i can..i dont wanna waste my time and i want to get into it...i dont wanna be a script kiddie with the trojans there boring after like 2 days.. i dont know i cant afford to spend my entire life on it but i am keen... any good sites?
Some useful sites to go to:
[list=1][*]Infosyssec[*]Astalavista[*]Deja[*]SecLabs[*]RootCore[*]DJTozz[/list=1]
Some unuseful sites to go to:
[list=1][*]SmartHack[*]Trojan's Lair[*]Movies[*]ThumbZilla[*]Microsoft[*]Attrition[/list=1]
Hope it helps :D
i keep laughing so hard at that guy matty lol thats funny. is it real? lol hard to believe lol
thanx for the sites guyz
HTML = formatting language
But it is still good to know and can be a good starting point for learning web security. I think knowing a full programming language can give you a better understanding of how the systems you're dealing with work and therefore make you a better hacker/user/whatever.
some sites I use are...
Sans Exam Notes Tech Republic
mcmcse
Sans is decent for getting security info...lots of related links. Exam notes can be good for learning things, drill down to the individual tests for the areas you want to learn and they have links to related resources and summaries of the information you need to know for the tests. Looking at the notes for tests such as the net+ from comptia can give you a better understanding of networking and the topics you need to look into further. Tech republic has all kinds of stuff from programming to system admin.
Mcmcse has stuff similar to exam notes.
If I can think of any more I'll post em.