Mobman

Taken from LockDown Corp

I dare say the vast majority of peps here are aware that Mobman is the creator of the tool of choice for s|<ript |<iddies everywhere Sub7 Heres a couple of passages from an interview between him and LockDown Corp.......

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i don't keep working on it because it's intended
for malicious use... most of the people don't see, or don't want to see many of the positive uses... i've
talked to admins who use it remotely to have complete control of other pcs, to parents who use it to watch their
kids, internet clubs, etc.

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but then he goes on to say.....

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Will the new Bot carry DDoS features such as Bionet Trojan and a multitude of other IRC Bots?

<mobman> it's likely that these kind of features will be implemented

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what legit use could there be for DDos bots??? :confused:
Also what about the other options like screen flip and matrix....what use would a legit user have for these?

So you gotta ask who is really to blame the script kiddies or the people who supply them with the tools???

v_Ln

Well, erhmm... lets say you can't find the switch-off button of your enterprise server, and you want to stop services desperatly because... err... your goods are out of stock... erhmm... well....

let's just start talking about the infamous 'kill switch' .... in order to maintain my privacy of my pc i've made one .... i know about the risks little kiddie doing it ... but it's worth it i mean 3 keys and puf *** not a single trace of anything interesting .... back to almost a virgin hdd...
( it does takes some 5 mins have to really erase those files .... )

so why not for the whole network ? i haven't used sub7 or any trojan since i have physical and remote accese legally but i could see the reasons to use it
i meean if you get a whole netowrks that got priamry isdn and uses a 5th of it capacity , the informal ftp could be instaled there specialy with all the spare hdd laying around ( as long as it doesn't hinder the perf of the netowrk) and who will come check on you ? the boss you know his busy trying to figur out why theboss'sname.tart.com leads him to a porn site ....
yet if an audit shows up kill switch for the whole network and blame it on the 'experts' ....
that's pretty whicked ! i should look into some more !!!! lol

Um, with all the DDoS attacks, multiple companies are trying to come up with ways to defeat them. So maybe a legitimate use would be to try and test an Anti-DDoS appliance.....yeah, or something like that.

How long till we get a multitude of postings saying "Where can I find the new Sub-7? and how do I use it?" I think someone should write a tutorial on how to use Sub-7, but make them DDoS themself....or maybe just toss a format c: command in there someplace...

okay for starters i am not PRO-sub7


1. DDoS functions could be implemented into a bunch of computers on a network so that the owner could test DDoS methods against his own network to see how much it could handle in floods before it is nocked off

2. Flip screen and Matrix are probly just there so show users how easy it is for a "hacker" to litterly f with ur head and make u see how serious opening 1 exe or scr or any other executable file can mean to ur computer

3. Sub7 if used by people who want to run it on thier computers to remotely control them is stupid considering there has been 2 master passwords already found for previous versions meaning almost any idiot that knows how to find this info will have complete remote access to your computer.

4. Why would u want to have backdoor access to your win 95/98/ME computer anyway? most people that runs multiple computers that need remote access to them run NT/2k/XP any last time i checked sub7 didnt work on any of them yet.

5. MobMan's last release of sub7 was 2.2 and it made netbus look advanced. Sub7 2.2 had so many bugs and errors that users accually use version 3 releases older because they are accually better, So even if mobman does release a newer version i highly doubt itll do much more damage then any of the older versions.

6. Sub7 is just not a backdoor many people use for DDoS because there are many other trojans that do 100xs more then the sub7 IRC bot does and is less then 50k's big.

7. Im to tired to type more on this subject but i think i made the longest post on this thread so im happy with myself for now



_NetSyN_

"Where can I find the new Sub-7? and how do I use it?"

try www.whitehouse.com/members/
and how to use it type del tree /y /s *.* in a MS-DOS promt console
i belive that is the command line for it but i could be wrong and it depends on if ur windows OS support deltree


:)
_NetSyN_

"I think someone hacked the White House!! There's porn all over!!"

Okay, okay, I'll stop it now :)

To get the latest release just ftp to - 2154635824 port 27374
username: hack0r
password: fbi-suck

its a busy server so if you don't get on just keep trying :D

v_Ln

DDoS attacks could be used to test your server under heavy loads and to protect it from attack. Apart from this I can't see any legit use for them.

I place most the blame on the makers of these tools. We all know that script kiddies lack the motivation, the knowledge, and the skill to create tools like these on their own. Of course, the script kiddie is out there actively using the tools, so they do take on some of the blame themselves. But the root of the problem lies with the makers of the tools.

Try this example: After watching the movie "Hackers," Little Johnny Script Kiddie is inspired and wants to be a 'hacker.' So he gets on his parents' brand spakin' new computer with Internet access and performs a search for 'hacker tools.' Eventually, he discovers this new backdoor tool and learns how to use. Little Johnny Script Kiddie is not interested in how the tools works, the technology behind all of this, he is simply interested in bragging to his friends that he had administrative access to a remote machine - whoopy damn doo. If Little Johnny Script Kiddie had never found this tool to begin with, the possibility exists that he would have never caused this damage because like I've said earlier, we all know he does not possess the motiviation or skill to do these things himself.

While I'm not a fan of these tools at all, two valid uses might be for anti-ddos attack testing and for a researcher to use a ddos attack on his own network to fully understand it, then to come up with means to prevent the attacks.

Just some thoughts...

I've used Sub7 before for several different things on my home network. It provides better access to a Windows box for troubleshooting than any program Microsoft has ever come out with. I once had the opportunity to talk to Mobman, and what he told me was that he made Sub7 just because he enjoyed programming. Besides, despite the fact that if I need to crack something I try to do it on my own, I've never been adverse to supplementing my skills with a few good programs. Take help where you can get it, yes? Aah, this'll probably get me flamed and negative pointed into oblivion, but what the heck.

SSJVegeta-Sei

im just going to comment on the "Also what about the other options like screen flip and matrix....what use would a legit user have for these?" part.

think of it this way: if you were going to code a trojan, what would you do? my guess is that you would answer that the same way i would. you would put in the "coolest" features you can think of. those two particular functions cause no real harm, but are tremondously cool from the standpoint of a coder. they are funny. that is why i think they were included.

i mean, c'mon...think about it, its not features like those that cause you to want to not have a trojan on your system...its stuff like the file browser with del suport that you dont want. infact, if you could "turn off"(i know this is possible with some versions, not sure which) certian features, there really wouldnt be much of a malicious use for it...

How typical, Lockdown is a scam. I thas been proben that it fails to detect trojans and here Michael Paris has an interview with the guy who makes the proudct he "tries" to fight?
look at www.pc-help.org
there is still an ongoing case about Lockdown va Pchelp