Windows 7 Anyone?

[Linen0ise]

well maybe not the video

I laughed at Vista's requirement for video. you need a special "vista ready" capable card with 1terabyte of video memory and at least a $500(US) GPU video which must support Pixel Shader BullSht 3.0 to open MS. Office.

But yet, open 3 internet explorer pages and the systems speeds to a crawl because it was thrashing the Harddrive before you even told it do something. And it makes you wait!! So, so 1980'ish. Remember the days when it took 10 minutes to do a virus scan on a 486/586 machine and the machines were practically unusable until it finished and then preceded to run "windows". I feel old but history does repeat itself time and time again.

[Cheap Scotch Ron]

Anyone who writes software knows that the ONLY software that REALLY pushes hardware, are computer games.

"ONLY"? Really?, come on gore.

If Linus is a bad programmer or doesn't know anything about software, then I'll say I'm wrong. But the chance of that happening seems pretty damned slim doesn't it? He said games have always been the resource consumers when it came to computers.

You previous statement does have anything to do with Mr. Torvalds' programming skills.

While it may be true that "games have always been the resource consumers", they are by no means the ONLY consumer.

Mad? lol. old salts have thick skin.
You welcome aboard my f***in' boat anytime.
Chum is like hardware, you can never have enough.

[gore]

I find the Chum part funny. Here is why:

My Wife is a Quebecois girl, so "Chum" is pronounced similarly to what She refers to me as.

Next, Chum can also be considered the buckets of blood and flesh used to find sharks.

My name is gore, so blood and flesh is really what it's about isn't it

By the way, "REALLY" was also capitalized. That meant "more than usual".

Oh wait I get it, you wanted to use gore as chum...Ah the word play options with THAT statement. Almost endless

Auch auf den Wellen wird gefochten
Wo Fisch und Fleisch zur See geflochten
Der eine sticht die Lanz' im Heer
Der andere wirft sie in das Meer
Reise, Reise Seemann Reise
Jeder tut's auf seine Weise
Der eine stößt den Speer zum Mann
Der andere zum Fische dann

Reise, Reise Seemann Reise
Und die Wellen weinen leise
In ihrem Blute steckt ein Speer
Bluten leise in das Meer

Die Lanze muss im Fleisch ertrinken
Fisch und Mann zur Tiefe sinken
Wo die schwarze Seele wohnt
ist kein Licht am Horizont

Ahoi

Reise, Reise Seemann Reise
Jeder tut's auf seine Weise
Der eine stößt den Speer zum Mann
Der andere zum Fische dann

Reise, Reise Seemann Reise
Und die Wellen weinen leise
In ihrem Blute steckt ein Speer
Bluten leise in das Meer

Reise, Reise Seemann Reise
Und die Wellen weinen leise
In ihrem Herzen steckt ein Speer
Bluten sich am Ufer leer

[Linen0ise]

Anyone who writes software knows that the ONLY software that REALLY pushes hardware, are computer games.

I think I get your point but you are slightly wrong. CAD/CAM, video production, Medical X-rays, and flight simulaters started the 3D revolution. Next someone hacked up extended memory on personal computers at that time to do stuff SUN, HP, SGI did easily.

I believe the first 3d video card for the PC was the Voodoo card series. Then Microsoft took over with their Direct X stuff.

off-topic: I'm still trippin' on how America went to the moon with a 4-bit computer and why IBM sold equipement to Germany to put serial numbers on Jews. I believe that is DARPA with a little alien tech. And the biggie, Hollywood and silent films. Where did they obtain the technology to show scrollable fonts and logos for credits and introductions in that era?

[morganlefay]

I must say.......I am confused.

This typical MS *nix bullsh*t IS tiring.

Yep you can run *nix on minimal hardware.....go for it. Have fun....big deal???

Who cares

Users????....they want the flash...and the ease of use, they want thier pictures to look good, they want their music to sound good...and they want monster games on the computer.....and they dont give a fook about security. They want it to turn thier lights on and of..run thier web cams and security systems......feed thier pets...do the house work...........all on one box!!

MS came out with Vista.....and nobody bought it. The market is dictating what MS is gonna do next.

I work for an audio company....you would not believe how many people want music servers in thier homes now.

This sir is driving the market\hardware etc....

Personally I recommend macs for home servers and personal use

I support MS and will support Windows 7...sounds like its going to need some locking down..as most systems do...because Vista was too damn secure for the average user...MS is disabling alot of the security features by default. That was my original post....

all of a sudden I was jumped on....

Stick with your toyz boyz

pfft

MLF

[Cheap Scotch Ron]

'Twas in another lifetime, one of toil and blood
When blackness was a virtue and the road was full of mud
I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."

[gore]

'Twas in another lifetime, one of toil and blood
When blackness was a virtue and the road was full of mud
I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."

Who wrote that? It's very similar in style to what I posted. (Mine was in German instead of English, but fi you understood what it said, it was written in a similar manner...Other than the one I posted being about Ships and Boats).

MLF:

I have released 2 full albums, all on my own, and every bit of it was done with LMMS. It runs on Linux mostly, but I have it going on BSD too. Apparently it can work on Windows but I haven't seen it do to well.

And if "media and flash" are what users want and they don't care about security that still has nothing to do with Windows. Windows looks like a painted up version of what it did years ago.

Did you actually look up Enlightenment on google? The new E-17 makes Mac Os X look like DOS. The bottom of the desktop waves or ripples, or both, while a fire is glowing on your desktop, and you can make it rain, snow, or just rain or snow. It looks simply amazing. It blows me away still.

As for ease of use.....Have you ever installed Windows? The installer is a text based POS until you get some of the system going. THEN it's GUI based.

Installers for other OSs have become fully graphical, while Windows remains looking like it did for XP and maybe 2000. Windows 2000 of course, being the best product Microsoft made in the Windows world.

Microsoft hadn't sold a product THAT good since they were selling Xenix (It's Unix!).

So, MLF, let's say someone such as myself, who can't afford a Mac, and can't afford a new computer at all though it kills me because Doom4 is going to be out sometime in the future and I can't even play the original because my video card is screwed, meaning right now all I can play is up to UT2004, and only on ONE machine.

The fastest processor I have, is an Intel Pentium 4 M that is going at 3.06 GHz. No dual core, no quad core, just the normal one.

RAM? The most I have in ANY machine is 512 MBs.

So, for someone like me in need of an upgrade and can't afford it at all...What would you recommend then? Nothing? Of course, because you said you recommend Macs, and Windows. And I'm saying I'm part of a growing population who can't afford to upgrade to either one.

I find an OS that allows me to at least run newer software on my shtty hardware, and you say it's *NIX VS Windows crap that's tiring... Do you not see that as just a LITTLE bit insulting? Or at least to people who financially can't go buy whatever they want?

Ease of use...Hmmm.... Let's see here:

User A wants to burn an ISO image to CD-ROM. They are running Windows. Options? Pay for software to do it, and then navigate through some menus. Other option? Download a trial version and sign up for the spam of the month newsletter to get to burn it.

User B has Linux / FreeBSD / Whatever / KDE installed....all of those come with the software to do this out of the box, and to burn an ISO in KDE? DOUBLE CLICK IT....A window opens up with K3B, which goes on the net for you to check the MD5Sum automagically for you, and then you click on burn.

Which one is easier?

How about installing software? If you download something off the net, you double click an installer and Windows opens the installshield whatever to do it. You go through the menus, and reboot.

Linux / BSD / Whatever..

Non GUI:

pkg_add -r anything [Enter}

With a Gui:

....Click on "install"...Go through menus....

Setting up a home server:

Windows :....Not sure, never could get IIS working.

Linux / BSD / Whatever:

Put the installer CD in, or just download one from the net and installer in a similar manner with one command or two clicks. Start the service, done.

So how is ease of use even a consideration when it comes to an OS these days? That is the exact reason the my OS is better than yours is a valid argument today. Things have changed so much that most people still think they have to compile software to use it on Linux. And of course people think it's hard to install things or in general use it.

after an OS install what happens? Which one is easier? Well with Windows you put a hardware firewall in place so you don't get infected before you have a chance to actually install updates.

With Linux, you...Already have actual packet filtering built in, and the updates can ALL be downloaded at once, no "Media player has to be done separate" crap, and the only reboot is if a Kernel update appears.

And games? What game doesn't work with anything but Windows TODAY? One way or another you can play pretty much any game on any OS now. It isn't 1998 anymore.

And as for one of those last comments...WHO got jumped on? I got tag teamed by two people who didn't even bother to read what I actually said.

Anything else I missed? Or is rebooting between 40 updates somehow good for production?

And another thing; If you proudly state you make so much money of the unfortunate events of someone else, how the hell am I the bad guy? You said idiot users buy you wine.... If I was basically doing the same thing as a crack dealer where I was making money off the stupidity of someone and their inability to do something themselves because they don't understand, I don't think I'd go after someone who showed them there are other options and still sleep at night. And then claim to be a victim when someone pointed that out.

The last time we argued like this I got a message saying you liked me and not to take it personally, and now you get all mad for me doing exactly what I've always done.

Just like Ron who had a great list of bands and seemed to get along fine with me, turned what I said into some murderous rage or something. If anything I should be the confused one.

[morganlefay]

Originally Posted by Cheap Scotch Ron
'Twas in another lifetime, one of toil and blood
When blackness was a virtue and the road was full of mud
I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."

Who wrote that?

One of the greatest american poets.. Bob Dylan

I think the original post was about Windows 7 not about whether *nix is better and MS sucks....or MACs are too expensive.

I work with computers...it is my career. I support business systems ....all MS. I didnt tell them to buy it, I just support it....and they pay me to do it.

I do not belittle them for buying MS...I smile and say "yes...I can fix it"


MLF

[gore]

That can't be Bob Dylan....Or is it? It sounded to me like something Jim Morrison would write but I knew it wasn't him, since I have most of his stuff memorized...



You know I don't bash you for your opinion. I will bash your opinion, but not you for having it. That's the difference between what makes me me, and what would make me an ass. An ass bashes you for having an opinion, I bash the opinion if I don't agree, but not you for having it.

That sounds good in my head, may not translate well, but, the gist of it should be there.

[t34b4g5]

Ease of use...Hmmm.... Let's see here:

User A wants to burn an ISO image to CD-ROM. They are running Windows. Options? Pay for software to do it, and then navigate through some menus. Other option? Download a trial version and sign up for the spam of the month newsletter to get to burn it.

Why pay when you can just download imburn> http://www.imgburn.com/

And it's totally phree. And there's no spam emails either.

and now we return to the normal viewing.