Quote Originally Posted by Cheap Scotch Ron View Post
'Twas in another lifetime, one of toil and blood
When blackness was a virtue and the road was full of mud
I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."
Who wrote that? It's very similar in style to what I posted. (Mine was in German instead of English, but fi you understood what it said, it was written in a similar manner...Other than the one I posted being about Ships and Boats).

MLF:

I have released 2 full albums, all on my own, and every bit of it was done with LMMS. It runs on Linux mostly, but I have it going on BSD too. Apparently it can work on Windows but I haven't seen it do to well.

And if "media and flash" are what users want and they don't care about security that still has nothing to do with Windows. Windows looks like a painted up version of what it did years ago.

Did you actually look up Enlightenment on google? The new E-17 makes Mac Os X look like DOS. The bottom of the desktop waves or ripples, or both, while a fire is glowing on your desktop, and you can make it rain, snow, or just rain or snow. It looks simply amazing. It blows me away still.

As for ease of use.....Have you ever installed Windows? The installer is a text based POS until you get some of the system going. THEN it's GUI based.

Installers for other OSs have become fully graphical, while Windows remains looking like it did for XP and maybe 2000. Windows 2000 of course, being the best product Microsoft made in the Windows world.

Microsoft hadn't sold a product THAT good since they were selling Xenix (It's Unix!).

So, MLF, let's say someone such as myself, who can't afford a Mac, and can't afford a new computer at all though it kills me because Doom4 is going to be out sometime in the future and I can't even play the original because my video card is screwed, meaning right now all I can play is up to UT2004, and only on ONE machine.

The fastest processor I have, is an Intel Pentium 4 M that is going at 3.06 GHz. No dual core, no quad core, just the normal one.

RAM? The most I have in ANY machine is 512 MBs.

So, for someone like me in need of an upgrade and can't afford it at all...What would you recommend then? Nothing? Of course, because you said you recommend Macs, and Windows. And I'm saying I'm part of a growing population who can't afford to upgrade to either one.

I find an OS that allows me to at least run newer software on my shtty hardware, and you say it's *NIX VS Windows crap that's tiring... Do you not see that as just a LITTLE bit insulting? Or at least to people who financially can't go buy whatever they want?

Ease of use...Hmmm.... Let's see here:

User A wants to burn an ISO image to CD-ROM. They are running Windows. Options? Pay for software to do it, and then navigate through some menus. Other option? Download a trial version and sign up for the spam of the month newsletter to get to burn it.

User B has Linux / FreeBSD / Whatever / KDE installed....all of those come with the software to do this out of the box, and to burn an ISO in KDE? DOUBLE CLICK IT....A window opens up with K3B, which goes on the net for you to check the MD5Sum automagically for you, and then you click on burn.

Which one is easier?

How about installing software? If you download something off the net, you double click an installer and Windows opens the installshield whatever to do it. You go through the menus, and reboot.

Linux / BSD / Whatever..

Non GUI:

pkg_add -r anything [Enter}

With a Gui:

....Click on "install"...Go through menus....

Setting up a home server:

Windows :....Not sure, never could get IIS working.

Linux / BSD / Whatever:

Put the installer CD in, or just download one from the net and installer in a similar manner with one command or two clicks. Start the service, done.

So how is ease of use even a consideration when it comes to an OS these days? That is the exact reason the my OS is better than yours is a valid argument today. Things have changed so much that most people still think they have to compile software to use it on Linux. And of course people think it's hard to install things or in general use it.

after an OS install what happens? Which one is easier? Well with Windows you put a hardware firewall in place so you don't get infected before you have a chance to actually install updates.

With Linux, you...Already have actual packet filtering built in, and the updates can ALL be downloaded at once, no "Media player has to be done separate" crap, and the only reboot is if a Kernel update appears.

And games? What game doesn't work with anything but Windows TODAY? One way or another you can play pretty much any game on any OS now. It isn't 1998 anymore.

And as for one of those last comments...WHO got jumped on? I got tag teamed by two people who didn't even bother to read what I actually said.

Anything else I missed? Or is rebooting between 40 updates somehow good for production?

And another thing; If you proudly state you make so much money of the unfortunate events of someone else, how the hell am I the bad guy? You said idiot users buy you wine.... If I was basically doing the same thing as a crack dealer where I was making money off the stupidity of someone and their inability to do something themselves because they don't understand, I don't think I'd go after someone who showed them there are other options and still sleep at night. And then claim to be a victim when someone pointed that out.

The last time we argued like this I got a message saying you liked me and not to take it personally, and now you get all mad for me doing exactly what I've always done.

Just like Ron who had a great list of bands and seemed to get along fine with me, turned what I said into some murderous rage or something. If anything I should be the confused one.