souleman > agreed to a few of your points re: endusers and false sense of security.

We spend a lot of time working with people requesting ruleset review, etc. Even then, one wrong click and ..... but, the best you can do is better than doing nothing at all.

I have watched enough incoming code red and nimda scans, and had enough other exploits run at my border box to not want unknowing users to remain unknowing.

I have also spent enough time with people who have had their identities stolen and their lives temporarily trashed because of Trojan Servers.

Sure I download and play with Trojans and with Viruses. But I do that on a trash box (an old 486) and I DC from the network before I let em loose. Before they go back online, a low level format and reinstalled OS are always first.

My point in this whole thread is that new releases are good if they do what they are supposed to do, even if they have had a problematic past, and that the way things are headedd for Windoze users, those that aware at all, should start looking now with an open mind, because the times they are a changin.