Ok, For my first post (i think these posts deserve to be seperated b/c of totally different topics)
this is it:

I am very sorry AciDriveHB, i did not see one of your posts b/c i wrote mine at the same time:
AciDriveHB writes:
On another slightly different subject though, does anyone know how to get a hold of, or where to get a hold of, an actual list of the full list of "hacker ethic's"? After talking about all the black and white, good and bad, I'm interested in if these codes exsist and what they actually say.

I think I need to learn more too to help educate others, I want to make sure I have all the facts and know more than what I do before I try to explain it to others.
There is a jargon file, which is located here , and is one of the greatest sources for this kind of info. (This is not the origonal post of this file, i dont know where the origonal is....) I really appreciate the fact that you are going to try to learn more before saying things that you are not totally sure about. This is a very good way of approaching things and I extremely thank you for trying. not many people do. As for "Codes" there is no real "codes" that anyone should follow. MIT is a very realiable source even though i have not used their site in awhile. They are very reliable for people to get strait quotes from (being one of the main uni's that pro "hackers" are from). There are some good ones out there, but also some very biased ones (aka the media). Thanks, and im sorry for missing this post in the first place!
-Spyda