I'm glad not everyone on here has such a hard time helping out somone seeking knowledge. I agree that AO shouldnt be so harsh on people taking a different perspective int here posts if they dont clearly have bad intentions.

to akhooja: I agree with what you are saying but I'm looking for more technical specifics. There is many ways to get into a network or a system, but right now I'm trying to learn about getting around a router.

to Kezil: actually I have the 3rd edition of Hacking Exposed and Hacking Linux Exposed. Those are very usefull. My personal favorite is Counter Hack(if you havnt read it, I realy recomend it). Unfortunatly my books are in storage so I cant just skim over a chapter on getting past a router.

anyone else got any tips?

Ohh, thanks a lot Jaguar... I didnt even think about checking astalavista. I'll read the links when I get off work. I totally understand the assumptions, I just see this happen a lot and I thought my post was a fair question